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Thread: Australia debates ditching Queen... Should Belize do the same??

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    Australia debates ditching Queen... Should Belize do the same??

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7856094.stm

    By Phil Mercer
    BBC News, Perth


    As the United States celebrates its first African-American president, the people of another former British colony, Australia, are wondering whether they will ever have their own home-grown head of state.

    The issue of a republic is brewing again amid mounting pressure on the Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to say when Australians can vote on constitutional reform.

    The idea that Queen Elizabeth II should be replaced by an Australian president was enthusiastically endorsed by delegates at Mr Rudd's recent 2020 Summit, which invited 1,000 of the nation's brightest minds to Canberra to debate pressing public concerns.

    The prime minister is expected to respond within weeks to their suggestions and those agitating for change believe that the Labor leader must set out a timetable for a referendum.

    Six models

    "It's really about identity and dignity," explained Grant Jordan, Western Australian convenor of the Australian Republican Movement.

    "It is a bit debasing when you have a situation where a British child born into a particular family can one day become the head of state of your country yet no Australian child can ever become head of state of Australia no matter what he or she achieves in life."

    Australia is a constitutional monarchy and it is a decade since the country rejected wholesale reform at the last referendum, thanks in large part to the type of republic on offer, which would have seen a president appointed by parliament and not by the people.

    Republicans believe that up to six different models should be put to the popular vote in a plebiscite, with the most favoured then subjected to a referendum.

    Hot topic

    On a sweltering evening in the northern Perth suburb of Joondalup, home to legions of British migrants, opinion on the issue at the local soccer club was as fierce as some of the tackles at the start of pre-season training.

    "I love the Queen, I love what she stands for," declared club president Steve Amphlett, a salesman originally from Stoke-on-Trent. "I don't see Australia as a republic."

    Neither did John Higgins, a bricklayer from Birmingham who emigrated to Perth 18 years ago.

    "The monarchy should stay in Australia," he told the BBC. "If you speak to the majority of the English here, they really want it to stay as it is."

    Joondalup's soccer coach, Alan Vest, a Yorkshire-born former New Zealand international - whose name may be familiar to older supporters of Barnsley and Rochdale - believes though that constitutional change in Australia is inevitable.

    "My mother's a monarchist. She's mad about the Queen. It's nice she's a titular head of state but I'm not so sure in today's world it's really necessary."

    Asian orientation

    Republicans have estimated that up to 85% of Australians support their cause, among them both the Prime Minister and leader of the conservative opposition.

    Joondalup club veteran Adrian Kenny, 46, who moved from Stafford when he was seven, said that although his adopted home should treasure its rich British history, it was time to move on.

    "I think the Queen's for England," he told BBC News. "I just think Australia is an old enough country to be the master of its own destiny. We are becoming more Asian-orientated and there are more Asian people in Australia and they have no affiliation with the UK."

    The republic debate in Australia is always passionate and both sides are promising a forceful campaign when the next referendum eventually comes around.

    Neil Gilmore, the Australian Monarchists League representative in Western Australia, remains adamant that voters will favour the status quo.

    "The notable thing about Mr Rudd's enthusiasm for a republic is the fact that the people of Australia don't share it," he insisted. "We don't want a republic. We've had stability and prosperity. Everything that we could want we get from our wonderful system of government."
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    She serves no purpose for any country, including Great Britain. But, if the brits want to continue to support that lazy family, go ahead. Imagine, if they could sell off all those properties they won, they could solve their econimc problems.

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    I agree, I think Belize and the few remaining countries that have her as head of state, should dump her.

    Plus dumping her as the head of state does not necessarily mean you are breaking relationship with England. Trinidad for eg has dumped her but still remain part of the English Commonwealth of nations.

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    If you think she is bad, wait till the harse face son take over. Dump her and take back so called Crown Lands. Start with Sin Georges Caye.

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    I say dump the ***** .who in the world need her .i always taught why in the world i wasn't singing god bless the Queen to my Grandmother when she was alive .istead i was singing to this old witch i don't even know.

    WCW.

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    i dont think we should dich the queen. there are many many reasons as to why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monwa View Post
    i dont think we should dich the queen. there are many many reasons as to why.
    giwe di reasons dem den!!
    "Men always want to be a woman's first love - women like to be a mans last romance." - Oscar Wilde

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    I rmeember being in highschool the first time she visited belize and we were forced to line up and waive and cheer at her. We were told any protestors would be suspended and anyone who did not attend would go to detention.

    I was not quite ready for suspension, but I took the detention and to this day I have no regrets!! Why should I go out there and pretend all is good when I know for a fact all is not.

    I know we cant change history but its not like England has even acknowledged their wicked ways much less made up for them.

    I saw ditch her and while at it take her name off our money. We should have Belizeans and people who care about Belize honored on our currency!

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    Long ago, I read that one of the reasons to keep her was to keep putting her face and symbols on the Belizean dollars. That somehow represented stability to the world banks. Some thing like that.

    I guess we'd better examine all sides before we dump long bubby lizzy. But ah do dread her successor and that ugly wooman he married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotchbonnet View Post
    Long ago, I read that one of the reasons to keep her was to keep putting her face and symbols on the Belizean dollars. That somehow represented stability to the world banks. Some thing like that.

    I guess we'd better examine all sides before we dump long bubby lizzy. But ah do dread her successor and that ugly wooman he married.
    First off our Belize dollar get the stability it has from the US dollar not the pound. Not only is our dollar pegged to the US dollar, the majority of our foreign earnings come from the US whether it be agriculture or tourism. So if the face on dollar is what gives us stability maybe we should put George Washington or Barrack Obama on our Belizean currency.

    By the way, I dont doubt you read that but I dont buy that argument. Trinidad is doing very well without her picture on their currency.

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    dump her *** yes!!...she still no pay mi doctor bill yet fi when i fainted from standing in the hot sun fi si her white gloves di wave ouuta cyar!!
    "Men always want to be a woman's first love - women like to be a mans last romance." - Oscar Wilde

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    Quote Originally Posted by bemetu View Post
    dump her *** yes!!...she still no pay mi doctor bill yet fi when i fainted from standing in the hot sun fi si her white gloves di wave ouuta cyar!!
    gial bemetu u crack me up you almost make a piss me self on mi job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bocojeck View Post
    First off our Belize dollar get the stability it has from the US dollar not the pound. Not only is our dollar pegged to the US dollar, the majority of our foreign earnings come from the US whether it be agriculture or tourism. So if the face on dollar is what gives us stability maybe we should put George Washington or Barrack Obama on our Belizean currency.

    By the way, I dont doubt you read that but I dont buy that argument. Trinidad is doing very well without her picture on their currency.

    I know we are tied to the American currency but her face is an icon and since we are now listed mostly as a Central American country, her face on the money carries some kind of recognition. It's the same way the tourist industry points out the fact that Belize is the only English speaking country in CA. Well, her face somehow makes the Belize money stand out. Of course that won't last forever, so Belize should start thinking seriously what to do when she passes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimple View Post
    gial bemetu u crack me up you almost make a piss me self on mi job.
    gial i tink a neva eat breakfast either whe a so excited fi si di dyam haadface queen......mi friends tell mi all deh hear dah buff!! when deh look round i deh pon di ground to rass!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scotchbonnet View Post
    I know we are tied to the American currency but her face is an icon and since we are now listed mostly as a Central American country, her face on the money carries some kind of recognition. It's the same way the tourist industry points out the fact that Belize is the only English speaking country in CA. Well, her face somehow makes the Belize money stand out. Of course that won't last forever, so Belize should start thinking seriously what to do when she passes on.
    In my opinion, having her as head of state and having her on the currency says a lot about us as a people. I think it says we dont have our own identity. We need our own identity and the sooner we start on that the better.

    Following this logic, we should not have put her on the first Belize currency on the day of independence!!

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